Meeting Chair:Suguru Yamaguchi
List of Participants
Time:09:30-17:30
Date: 2 March 2002, AIT Canter,Bangkok,Thailand

Starting with report from APNG camp by Prof.Xing Li
Keynote speakers
1.Prof. Shigeki Goto (History of APNG)
2.Dr. Kanchana Kanchanasut (AP* organizations)
3.Prof. Kilnam Chon (Internet: Asian Perspective)

The meeting was attended by 28 participants from 8 countries (more ladies than men 14:12) and non-engineering
background (2:1 ratio).
The issues discussed include IPv6, ccTLD, ICANN, multilingual DNS, Education and training, Women, directory, etc.
Participants decided to keep the tradition of APNG going. This is comprised upon open membership structure, training environment for the next generation Internet leaders in Asia Pacific region, interdisciplinary approach. However, they
agreed that missing parts should be filled.

New working groups

1.(interim Chair, YJ Park). The discussion mainly focused on ICANN structure and ICANN Reforms presented
by CEO of the ICANN.
2. Two BOFs- Internet connectivity (Chair, Prof. Toru Takahashi) and another on Internet statistics (Chair, Shuang Zhu)

APNG promotion (APNG secretariat) and APNG BOF on gaming (APNG sub WG). It was discussed that there is a
need to bring all Asian economies in this group. Next APNG camp- Joint meeting will be held on August 29, 2002 in
Shanghai, China.

Lessons learnt. China America networking symposium (CANS)- activity between CERNET and Maryland University
and Internet 2 activity. (APAN meeting was to be held in Aug and so their meeting before APAN on 26-28 is the next
generation Internet (Internet 2 people).Distance learning (many initiatives in Asia Pacific and want to discuss how to
coordinate these efforts APEC working group-Association of Pacific Rim Universities- headquarters in Southern California- Annual distance learning conference-APNG working group on education-). China and Korea- to see how they can help as network specialist.- do research gathering to see what everyone is doing.

APNIC encouraged to have their meeting as well.

Discussion on AP Next Generation meeting in Shanghai, creation of a coordination committee to ensure smooth overlap
between meetings and interest groups-cluster group. Also want to get next generation Internet groups to be involved.

WG on Internet Governance- YJ Park presentation

Objectives-
· To deepen the understanding about Internet Governance
· To enhance Asia' leadership'
· To issue "comments from Asia" in response to ICANN Reformation proposal
· To issue informational documents on the relations between the governments and Internet community in Asia
· Responses from RIPE, NICE (- at large members issues) so far already to ICANN.

Scope of WG
· To define Internet Governance review ICANN reformation proposal with APTLD, APNIC, etc
· To draft response
· To enhance relations between Internet community and governments in Asia
· To outreach Asia governments actively

EU and ccTLD have good relations with their governments but don't have that in Asia since no collective efforts
(except maybe for ASEAN and APEC)- not right forum on entire Asian issues.

WG will write the joint positions paper within March and will send the agreed document to each government.
In May- interim report on relations between Internet community and governments in Asia will be produced. Some
participants raise the issue that it should not be a WG, it should be a Task force. After discussion all participants
were agreed on task force.

Members of Task Force
APNIC- Anna Mulingbayan
APTLD- Albert Wang
China- TBD
Japan- Yumi Ohashi and Hiro Hotta
Korea- Hyeyong , Jeonghoi, Seungyeon
Pakistan- Faraah Zubair
Taiwan- Joanna Tso
Thailand- Pensri.A.
Sri Lanka Gihan Dias

Mailing list- wg-ig@apng.org
Chair election AP* retreat on March 2nd. (was postponed due to some members arguments that AP* Retreat is not a
place for APNG WG election)
Liaison member- each Asia government
Forum- eASEAN, APEC, ASEM, etc…

Group discussion on "ICANN- Reformation proposal by Stuart Lynn (CEO of ICANN)"
Despite impact to own region, not consulted with, CCTLD and RIRS and cold should
Stuart concerned -geographical diversity- at large
Is ICANN ordinary? reformation may make more sense but….ICANN as political entity with obligation to make best
efforts between different parties …..Not excuse as a pseudo company…..
Since Nov. 1998, initiative presenter by DoC to form a international coordination body of Internet, before that made by
DoC- After the 3 years, finally admitted experiment a failure…..during experiment, agreement introducing competing
registrars system, UDRP, and …..ICANN difficulty to sign agreement with ccTLD (only 2 signed on). -Australia and
Japan…. Stuart admitted current structure will not work- top down style….does not make consultation process as mandatory…..can bypass community processes in name of efficiency…..since no close channel with DoC and ICANN secretariat….new reformation proposal will make Asian voice harder to hear anything…..Don't express anything etc.….

Most participants not read the proposal yet. So they all agreed that we should read the proposal first and then send our
comments to ICANN.
The strategy for future can propose, should include counterproposal, and counter structure, how really help. have inroads
to ICANN Board members in Korea and Japan, we can lobby for that, as well as Stuart and Andrew will be keynote
speech at APRICOT so we can discuss with them as AP Group.
Since Asia Pacific has not been well represented and so this will make their position stronger.

Prof. Kilnom- One view- why one view from region? Why not several voices? We have a concern about this one. We
have to express our opinion. E,g, concern about ICANN.
AP* Retreat should not have an organizational structure…..only then…if you go beyond, we are undercutting other
organizations such as APNG. Come up with statement or communiqué?, beyond this kind of burden to AP* Retreat
….look into collaboration with AP at large.
Agreed to AP* as the input method…..response to ICANN reformation proposal….
What should be the right manner of Internet governance…. statement from the WG can be circulated to all the groups.
If having organizational endorsement is difficult, then have personal endorsement….before the Ghana meeting-

Will have meeting after APTLD meeting and after at large meeting at APRICOT.

Asia Pacific At Large (KRNIC) by Ms. Hye-Young Kang
ICANN structure - at large structure
WHO members- individuals, NGOS, ISPs, Governments, etc
Qualification names, physical address, and e-mail addresses…
Membership drive- Feb- July
Nominations May-Sep
Dialogue (Sep to Oct)
Voting- 1st to 10th Sept- worldwide online election
Monitoring and evaluation

158,593 members….active is 7,183 members…..majority are from Asia Pacific.
Recent statistics have shown that 28% will be 143.99 million users……Europe 30.1%
US 35%

Meetings- Nov 2001 ICANN Marina Del Ret
Mar 2002- APRICOT Bangkok/Thailand (4th March BOF meeting)
Aug 2002- AP* meeting Shanghai/China.

Action Plan- interim secretariat and chair
Outreach- local Internet community, forum or workshop
Discuss issues of the ICANN reform proposal suggested.

Reformation proposal if accepted by the Board- concept of at large may not exist anymore…

AP Joint Secretariat Report by Pensri.A.

AP Joint Secretariat Interim Board-
Toru Takahashi
Hiro Hota
YJ Park
Xing Li
Surbramaniam
Paul Wilson
Wen-Sung Chen

AP* Retreat
Events and secretariat, update calendar and other info on web sites, coordination of secretariat activities, database
on IT related organizations (10 countries -50 organizations)

Apsec.org (th.apsec.org, kr.apsec.org)

Do we still need AP* secretariat- might be merged to APNG? Issue that what about AP* Retreat?

Paul Wilson said that AP* is just a meeting, which could also be an APNG event. It is an event, an organizer, have
a content chair, etc.…seen as an APNG meeting, AP* in event management, current secretariat group could be
organize events, possibly AP Outreach without taking responsibility for the strategy,…from AP outreach group…..
challenge for APNIC to organize training events two every month……heavy load…..outsource to help the group……

Kilnom- why not APNG retreat…there were reservations…..that was 3 years ago, things may have changed……
would you like to coordinate with APNG as well…….if you can manage more organizations then can make sense…..cn.apsec.org

To avoid confusion, strongly urges not use the term of AP* retreat sec, but AP* sec. Thai branch is the home branch
and that is their responsibility to make sure AP* Retreat is hosted twice a year.

Paul- APJS should not be an organization of its own. It should be seen as a service organization or CO, with BoD….
no open governance structure…..discussion to have it as a separate legal entity a a services group with BoD from
various groups deciding on what the

APIA report by Hirofumi HOTTA

25 Members
Partnership development-most importantly, with AP* organizations
Regular updates by AP* in newsletter
Coordinated efforts in organizing the meetings, APOPS, APNIC, touring SIG, APNIC IX SIG
Hope to collaborate research paper with AP* next

Partnership program with US Chamber of Commerce
-Global business Networking Program
-Free membership subscriptions offer till 31st March.

Strategic Planning on 3rd March
-Emphasis on collaboration and coordination
-Wider representation among the board/advisors
-Continuously look for opportunities

Strategic Plan
-APRICOT ad APIA proposal
-Representation to regional/international bodies

A13 update- WIDE project report by Prof.Suguru Yamaguchi

Established in 1995, satellite Internet testbed for R&D, using Kuband, and band, since 2001 for UDL.
Research consortium…..develop technologies for leading edge as well as ones for sustainable Internet development
in AP region.
Sri Lanka, HK, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Japan…..some of the connections….
UDL- unidirectional with multicast to multiple stations…..P to P, Point to multipoint…. 12 M- DV quality image…. .
started with e-learning/distance learning *schooling on the Internet (SOI).

SOI partner…..Malaysia- JAD program, YPM college
Thailand- Chulalongkorn University
Laos- National University of Laos
Indonesia- Universities
Myanmar

Special course- "Introduction to the Internet" Keiko
Network Architecture…
Bio science

IT special lectures- JAIST and KEIO
IT Basics-translated …..
Receiver only site- $1,000 only……special equipment by SONY (UDLP receiver-decoded and depacke)…..
convert signal….to router…..terrestrial link for uplink…..
Thailand and Laos is with upstream, Myanmar is not with upstream…it has only 4MBPS out from Myanmar which is shared……therefore no upstream…..want to get good quality for education…….
Malaysia and Japan-agreement between the governments, in this program they are JAD twinning program…first year
study in Malaysia, with local and Japanese teachers, then move to Japan university after that…..
Ministry of Education of Japan, and Ministry of Foreign Affairs are interested in expanding this to other countries….
SOI Asia is now a technical trial…..educational activities ,,,,if expand to generic areas of activities, then need dedicated
resources to serve this service for that purpose stable…..Technology is still being stabilized,,,,,

Funding- under APEC Tel APII working group….MPT therefore pays for it…..
UDP technology for JP govt. and NASDA (bandwidth….)
Earth station by local

SOI Asia by METI, JP govt…..

Effort to merge the budget from JP government to A13 project.
-e-Asia commitment
-G8 Summit in Okinawa
-Play more on A13 infrastructure
-can apply to MPT
MOFA

News from JP- IETF 54-held in Yokohama (July 14th to 19th in 2002)

Security related meeting- APSIRCC in Tokyo in March 25-27 by JPCERT/invited only
-APSIRCC in Australia in May by AUSCERT-open for attending…Japan will look into Cambodia and East Timor
as well.
A13 meeting in Temasek poly April 11th to 17th (open meeting)….

APWINC report by Jin Hee An

· Online learning canter project with UNESCO and UNDP.
· To promote women's status through active information efforts in AP region.
· To solve Gender Digital Divide
· Women's Informatization and women-related communication technologies
· Web based women and ICT
· ICT educational training
· International E-Biz forum distinguished lecture series
· Publication for women

Update on Internet Training Center by Dr.Kanchana Kanchanasut

Permanent Internet training center at AIT to address human resource development in Asia Pacific region.
Mostly Asian countries are not well developed so always they need to import someone from outside to help them
with technical setup.
Focus will be on technology and engineering issues
Past activities- ISOC workshop at INET, APRICOT, APNIC training, etc…"developing country workshops"
The Idea was based that instead of sending experts to different countries, we should provide training to the trainer. So
that is more sustainable development rather then some one to send to those countries to help them.
Short courses for ISP engineers, etc
Centralized lab and library (getting support from network startup research canter)…
Trainers will be local and international expert.
Going to seek trainers….no in house trainers, rely on experts that come to APRICOT, etc….keep timetable for people
to come, etc….
APNIC- mobile training, ISP engineers…..proposal to support to get funding for these activities….trainers sent to different countries to train ISP engineers….join two concepts together……ISOC may like to support the concept of permanent
training canter…..hope that Japanese governments can support this concept…e.g. SOI Asia link is there to allow them
to receive materials from the global studio, and one in Palo Alto and one in Maryland,,…can invite trainers in US as well……using SOI Asia project…..Japan…..

ORG-Alliance and cydentity plan by YJ Park

ICANN created for domain name policy oversight
ICANN - Verisign agreement on divesture of .org & .net.
.org registry divesture due 2002 and .net registry divesture due in 2006.
Global entity to bid for .org
No registry in this region-technical transfer from US to this region…….
Most challenging thing----how to form the non commercial registry……….name "Org alliance"…started as Asia initiative,
want to get global participation…..if we see current ration: …75% registered by US citizens….want to bring the registry
to Asia to make this .org as global as possible…..invite organizations from LA, Africa, etc…..

Progress of org alliance…..other regions not interested except in US….likely to have members from US and from Asia…..
to build a new entity , collective effort to reach to organizations……Korea and Japan………….would like to see other
countries to join the effort…………incorporated likely in Singapore or Malaysia for tax reasons…….Org alliance
schedule- 1st meeting on 2nd March, 2nd in London (with Europe and US) 8th and 9th, and 3rd in Accra 14th,
4th in April, 5th May, 6th June…..if substantial support…..
No secretariat or Interim Board members after get commitment from potential founding members…..
Introduce cydentity….technical transfer from US to Asia…..this entity will be set up in US and in Virginia close to Verisign……..relation with organizations will be a subcontract relationship…………commercial operator…..exclusive
multiyear, pre-defined relationship,
Funding- seed $1m to cover initial cost of submission of bid-raising money….so far it has gone smoothly…..Will get the
$1M …investors will invest further if the Board selects dot org alliance….

Follow-up round of $5m (contingent on bid winning)
Management and employee benefit….
Initial investors and Initial shareholders agreement, hire and start legal counsel (Brett Fausett..), biz plan for internal review …………inner circle process….

By April, will get everything up and running…….future plan..may apply for "new gTLD" registry in 2003….
Felt this as an open discussion forum……

Diane Cabell- Harvard centre…function as prototype secretariat with ICANN…..Harvard brookman canter proposing commerce in .org……………….will say they will proposal of AP* and will support APL…….truly noncommercial
registry….so they want to ensure they have financial support from .org registry………………..objections from Mike Roberts……………………..org was designed for noncommercial registrant……

What would .org alliance do??
Surplus fund for E-training, outreach or digital divide…privacy……etc……are they any specific demands from our own region………………….
?- what is relation from AP* and org alliance……decided to have a meeting…..during APRICOT……then first needed 2 hours…..
Prof. Kilnam- public relations………….issue……..org alliance…….global alliance with a strength in Asia Pacific………….therefore felt have meeting in AP……….time slot for today was the best time………….AP* or
content may be valid for AP*………..third choice……….Suguru ,why not in AP ?.relationship is more of public relation
to AP*

Jun Murai is willing to be member of org alliance, and JPNIC is willing to be member of org alliance…
context to be put into context………………..

Prof. Kilnom points out why doing this even though so busy……M.r Konishi……..as YJ Park said….Asia Pacific
should have a gTLD……..not saying exclusively……..very naively,,,,,,,.com.net .org and then diversify……..one to
Europe and one to Asia Pacific……….we have to fight to grab it is the first motivation and the second motivation…
involved rather than outside and watching…………..different having a gTLD or not……….talked to many countries
and realized that this may be a good way for technology transfer……….reasonably well managed…………….could
be a useful resource for developing countries…………………different from having it in Asia Pacific we can do more for it…………………

Meetings-

Prof. Kilnom----------members-----------global alliance with members in AP..Korea and Japan……………..working
with NA, and lesser in Africa and Europe………for org alliance…………try to get broad spectrum of organizations…………..all the way from civil society to big corporations……………..convince people that whoever who
had .org domain name are potential members……………….not restricted to any one particular sector………..don't want
to see dominance by any single group………..e.g. big companies, nor civil society, etc………one potential problem is ccTLD………..since outside of US and Europe, we don't have many organizations with keen interest in domain names………….CNIC…….China…TWNIC, etc………..have to be careful not to have dominance by ccTLDs…do
have a potential danger………Chile NIC……….consensus OK to have minorities……………

Structure between Cydentity and org alliance…………report by Task Force…only non commercial association can make a proposal……….at same time there is consensus about registry of this site cannot be run by non commercial…………….professional organizations has to run (3M onwards)……have to have commercial and
noncommercial entity………some major US registries talking to non commercial organizations or same in Europe….
one way to do it…may not be too popular……………..non commercial like Nominet, tried to get an alliance is another
way of doing………..in AP looked at couple of options just like Nominet…..CTLD e.g. KRNIC, etc…….1/4 million or ? million to work on proposal, unlikely to win against Nominet……….want to have global entity rather than a local entity………..Nominet looking to Franco-Brotish alliance…to compete against these….our best strength is global………
.create a new one………….to run technical operation……have a choice………1) work with verisgin, 2) make a new
venture, 3) combination…….. right now taking 2nd or 3rd……………depends on how quickly can …choice 1)- obvious regardless but they don't want to bid…………2)- idea from AFFILIAS- alliance and operation company from scratch………compromise is they suggest may be better off at least initially to outsource some of operations…………..AFFILIAS, etc….may be more attractive and technically stable………..Accra…to compete with Verisign……….

Relationship…initially org alliance will have some shares in cydentity……..have a contract between the two……how to
build up technical -outsource or in-house……by doing it this way,

Funding- preparation of bid will cost $1M……………………………………once this group will win the bid………
..additional $4M…one million is coming from venture funds…$50,000 to $200,000 and big companies…………
.NTT, KDDI, etc……….have
Singapore- VCs

received positive response……………talking to biggest organizations………….Fujistsu Dr. Ho is working with VC, in Singapore or Korea………………by April 12th,

Initial is the same people….only one person of Cydentity will be on org alliance without voting powers…..
Asia Pacific- Chain CNNIC
Japan-JPNIC
Korea- KRNIC
Taiwan -TWNIC, Academia Seneca
Malaysia- MIMOS
Others, e.g. NECTEC

USA- CDT, American Library Association, EPIC, ACM, Media Access Project, CPSR

Europe, TERENA

Latin America
ENRED, LACNIC

Africa,
AFRINIC

Some of these people coming to London meeting-

Who are investors- HK- VCs
Tokyo-KDD, VCS, etc open to 1M raised……………

Who are founders…..they are initiators……………..org……VC was a compromise….if could attract NGO monies….to be heard…reality…wanted to org space…but reality is cannot………………..members of .org alliance……10 already in his mind………..

April 12th to sign the MOU with financial commitment………want 20 or more to start with……….good geographical diversity………..not all should come from AP………non voting $1,000 and voting is $3,000……………

Committed member- say that Berkman and others…say this is the greatest structure……..not typical non commercial and technical competence and stability………. Cannot see how to persuade APIA Board to be a member of org alliance..

Hiro Hotta
1) motivation of this to setup in outside and Europe,,,,,,
2) viewpoint of NICS having operational experience of TLDs especially for global TLDs, maybe the job of cydentty…
if so, NICs should join cydentity………
Kilnam Chon- how to make it attractive to APIA?// merit to join….why kind of change to make……fundamentally good
idea and have to do the packaging correctly….

.org alliance will manage….cydentity only does technical work…….or cydentity does marketing……when talk to NIC interest….is not financial but first technical and second- alliance….or get funding from bug companies…………..
Let them propose how to make these changes…..

YJ Park- substantial benefit of being member of org alliance….org alliance will oversee cydentity…………technically
and policy, etc………..org alliance with permanent relationship to ICANN. ..org alliance will set up projects which can
be funded by org alliance…..hope to get many activities……………Prof. Kilnom: arguing this way---------AP more than 50% of Internet users….

Prof. Wen-Sung Chen said that we need to bring more organizations to participate in org-Alliance . is it possible to have 2 categories? interest in the concept……funding members………could get endorsement letters………..friends of all…………………………………………since criteria is not clear……………… sent out survey to the organizations she listed, et .if have specific proposal or suggestion…


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